Tuesday, 03 June 2008

  • What I have against the military

     


        Disclaimer:
        Every so often, I will have one of those posts that sincerely offends many of my readers, and then just like that, they are gone.  This is likely to be one of those posts.  It's not that I don't want people reading my site, quite the contrary in fact, it's just that sometimes there are just things that I feel the need to say, regardless of whether or not other people share my opinion.  If I offend you, then I am sorry and that is never my intent.  My intent is usually to make you laugh, occasionally to make you stop and stare, and sometimes, as in times like now, to make you think.


        My problem with the American military:
        Or at least the recruiters.

        Anybody who has ever attended high school or college in America is very familiar with the army/navy/air force recruiters.  These are very friendly people that seem to have a sincere interest in getting to know you, and a sincere interest in helping you out.  They tell you all these wonderful things about the military, and how great it is for our country, of course in an attempt to get you to join.
        This is all well and good, I don't have anything for soldiers in the army, navy, or air force except tons and tons of respect and admiration.  Likewise, I have no problems with recruiters attempting to bolster America's ranks, because it has to be done somehow, you can't win a war without an army.  (You can't start one either)
        No, my issue is when they start jostling around some of the less patriotic rationales for joining the armed forces.


        It makes you into a better person


        I have never been in the military, nor do I have even the slightest plan on joining it.  Is this supposed to mean I'm a bad person?  They appear most eager to sell this concept as if the only way that you can "be all that you can be" is if you join.  I feel that I am a fine young man.  I am very fit, I am very smart, and I actually have outstanding leadership characteristics.  I am outgoing.  I make friends easily, and maintain a civil attitude toward almost every aspect of my life.  The military didn't do this to me, but when I come across a recruiter telling me I can better my life by volunteering it to get shot at I get apprehensive.  If I respond back that I already have a very strong life ahead of me, they tell me that the army can make it better.  This is truly outrageous in my opinion.  Soldiers are truly valiant, outstanding American citizens (for the most part), but to say that I can achieve this title without placing myself in a position that I have no desire to be in does not in any way sound inviting, but instead more along the lines of threatening.  If they feel they are going to defecate on my manliness, or my citizenship, or my strength of character, they can have another thing coming if they think I am going to put my life on the line so they can scour a bit of commission.  I would lay my life on the line for my country, not my ability to stand a little straighter or have a distinguishable bumper sticker on the back of my car.  I would lay my life on the line for freedom, not so that I wouldn't be told that I wasn't in good moral shape.  I would lay my life on the line for all whom I love, not so that I could be more loved.


        It is a career, and a path through school


        This, I feel is even worse.  They almost ruthlessly go after kids whom they feel struggled in school or seem to be financially in a state of difficulty, and this is most unfair.  At the rate that I have seen them haggle fellow classmates or friends of mine, they seem to implant in the target's head that the military is the only way that they can have a successful life.  They take young adults that already seem to have a difficult time thinking for themselves and then go and try to make up their minds for them.  I understand that there is a great need for soldiers in the military, and I'm not saying that soldiers who are volunteering should not be treated with dignity and respect and given good benefits, but to force them down people's throats when they are just learning how to swallow seems impractical and inhumane.  I wish the recruiters would advertise this more as a possibility instead of a solution.  Besides, if you die, it doesn't matter how much money you raised toward an entrepreneur grant or a scholarship.  If you die, it doesn't matter how much you had to pay to get through school.  If you die, all that matters is what you died for, not all the fancy things along the way that were used to lure you into the service.


        These are simple beefs of mine, and I'm not trying to convert anybody's opinions about the armed forces.  I am very proud of our men and women overseas and I am very proud of my country and its army.  What I am very specifically not proud of is the tactics and propaganda used to recruit young men and women.  It honestly makes me sad.


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        Until next time, good luck with life.


     

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Comments (264)

  • StorybookAuthor

    But...bumper stickers!

    Reminder: Write like/about WiseOrFool!  We can't have her feeling lonely...and it's almost the end of Monday.

    -Anna.

  • The44thHour

    I agree, but I see the problem as being in the school system, not the recruiters. Because if people were smarter, they wouldn't fall for stuff like that, and then stuff like that wouldn't be used.
    It's not exactly off topic.

  • sarahb_86

    I couldn't agree more with you.

    This is just a personal pet peeve of mine but one thing that always seemed to bother me was the fact that recruiters almost always go straight for the men in a group.

    Case in point when I was in high school, I would generally be the only girl in a large group of guys. The recruiters would come over and atalk  to them and not even acknowledge my existence.  Not that I was al gung how to join the military, although at one time I was, but it is the fact that a little acknowledgment would have been nice.

    I should add that they did eventually start house. However this was only after my college released information to them without my knowledge. Another pet peeve of mine.

  • Carolina17

    The problem, too, is that the things they say are lies. I know a military boy. It didn't make him a better person at all. In fact, I think it made him worse.


    Thank you for saying what needs to be said. The only people who'll be offended are the same people who would fall for this nonsense to begin with.

  • Southernlass

    I don't think this post is offensive at all.  I loathe military recruiters.  I understand they have a job to do, but they also don't know how to take NO as an answer.  Our high school forced us to take the ASVAB our junior year.  Had I known the hassle it was going to cause I would have failed it on purpose, but because I tend to be an overachiever, I took the test and tried on it.  I then spent the next 1.5 years telling recruiters to piss off.  I finally had to ask for the name of the commanding officer for our local recruiter in order to get him to leave me alone.

  • ClockworkBunny

    CONTROVERSY!!! I'm unsusbcribing, defriending you, and blocking you three ways from next Sunday! I can't believe I even ever talked to you! Go 'way! Go 'way! *kicks dirt*


  • anth0nyc

    I know it's not popular to be "into the military" right now and i never was when it was time for me to go..
    but i kind of wish i had done a few measly years in the military.. for the following reasons:

    1  health benefits for life (a friend i know got MS he and his wife get like 15K per month now)
    2. retirement pension - regular pay for doing NOTHING!
    3. military guys know how to partay! - i think you make a lot of friends for life from there (kind of like school)
    4. i think they pay for your funeral too

  • mileyfan08

    I hate those recruiters that constantly badger me while I am trying to walk through the halls of our stupid overcrowded school to get to my boyfriend for lunch. On "recruiters take over the school" days, I constantly have my headphones in my ears, or my boyfriend and I walk together talking constantly to keep them from talking to us. And using those slogans and promises of money and schooling to draw kids in without telling them all they are really signing up for. (Sorry about that bit of improper grammar in that last sentence)

  • porcupinesol

    i love the united states military. they kill people.

  • Kimbaby08
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  • methodElevated

    Recruiters are essentially sales people.  They use the same tactics as any other person trying to sell you something, and they do a damn good job of it.  I say more power to them.  

  • grammarboy

    I'm not offended, Eadie; it would take a lot to manage that. Now I hope accordingly not to offend you.
    The main thing you seem to have a problem with is recruiters, and that's understandable. While some recruiters are wonderful people, there are some slimeballs. I don't think this has so much to do with the military as salesmen in general, though. When they face negative personnel actions for not meeting a quota, they do whatever it takes, and sometimes that includes lying, manipulation, intimidation, you name it-  they do it.
    It makes you into a better person
    Being in the military does not inherently make you a better person, and you certainly can be all you can be without being a soldier. It is certainly possible to become a better person while in the military, as I think I have in some ways, but the opposite is also true. There are some outstanding people in the military who are great leaders, mentors, believers (in the Shepherd Book sense of the word). There are also a lot of criminals and dirtbags to provide a bad influence. You get out of it what you put into it.
    It is a career, and a path through school
    It can be a career for those who choose that, and I can honestly say it's not too bad a career; heck, I might make it one for all know. It can also be a path through school; the military will pay your tuition for classes you take while you're in, and there's the GI Bill. The military isn't the only career worth doing or the only way to get through school, but it does deliver on its promises.
    Regarding the strategy of picking marks for recruitment, it's logical. People who have better options aren't interested in the military 99% of the time. People who are desperate will take and appreciate the job. I was in a difficult situation when I joined, and though I could have done differently, I still think it was the best choice. Many other people get into situations where they have no more options left to them, but the military accepts them. It gives second chances. That's not always a good thing; some people will never change and just bring down the whole organization, but many just get the opportunity they needed to improve their situation.

  • Consenttotreatment

    You suck.


    Okay, not really. Well, only a little. I regret ever talking to you, E. :Shakes head and walks away:


    Some peoples children. ;)

  • Legendairy

    While I have seen some of the overly zealous types going around telling people what to think, I think that this is mostly a perversion of what the intent would and should be.  Historically, since there have been professional armies, those armies recruited from the poorer classes more than any other.  The Romans offered great rewards for someone who served a full term... citizenship and land which was far more lasting than what most governments offer today... The Romans could accurately claim that by joining the military, one could potentially better their family for future generations!  Militaries today still have perks.  I think it all comes down to presentation.  I think you would agree that joining the military COULD make someone a better person.  It instills values and discipline that can really help some people... particularly the down-and-out.  I think it's when this is perverted into a WILL rather than a COULD or a MIGHT that the line is crossed.  Yes, joining has the potential to improve me but that does not mean it will.  In the same vain, the career path should be presented and everyone should be given the reassurance that if all else fails, one can still join the military.  It should also be made known the many opportunities available so it is not seen as a career that people HAVE to go into.  That said, it should also not be hidden what one is really signing up for.  From what most people tell me, this is not really as much of a problem as one experiences a LOT in boot camp and subsequently.  Those that make it through that "screening" process have a good idea what to expect most of the time though one can never be fully prepared for war as much as the military certainly tries.  I am not saying this necesarily in disagreement... just clarifying on what lines I do agree.

  • RockOfEadie

    @Legendairy - @grammarboy -  I agree that people can become better people by joining the military, and I agree that it is fine to offer advantages, shit, I'd want more than just a company car if I was putting my life on the line.  My problem is that they are advertised as the ONLY way to truly "tap into your potential" and that's what pisses me off.  Thanks for the excellent feedback from you two though.

  • jjhappyme

    Came across your post...and a very interesting topic it is.

    I think you have all kinds of problems where it concerns who falls into joining the army even if they don't really want to- after all, an army of true patriots is much stronger than an army of people who have to join because there are no other choices, right? The problem with this is most probably that there are all kinds of issues behind it- I agree that the recruitment marketing motto of "Be All You Can Be" does raise hackles- but I think in some cases (not all), it provides the structure and stability necessary to guide/succeed. It doesn't have to mean that the advertisement is right, but whether the message achieves the goal it's meant to achieve.

    But I think at the same time, there are always options, even if they suck.

  • Blades_Of_Athena

    Do you mean to put 'disclaimer'?

    I'll admit, I do have regrets about not completing my MEPs, primarily because of the fact that you can actually go to college for free while in service.

  • MerlanO_o

    hmmmmm, i found interesting site!!. what should i do, what should i do!!!,.. aha!!! just subscribe to eadie! haha


    don't worry if you offend some people, you gain interest from others ;P 


  • RockOfEadie

    @Blades_Of_Athena - what are you talking about?  It says disclaimer...

  • vwagenjetta

    I know too many people who joined the military simply to get their schooling paid for, and then came back from basic and were absolutely astonished that "the government would be so criminal as to send THEM to help fight the war." It really pisses me off to hear these people bitch about the war, when they're among those WHO SIGNED UP TO FIGHT IT. God! A knuckle sandwich for all of them! Great post. 

  • JesusOfWatford
    Reality sucks

    @eadie - It is disgusting how people are recruted towards the army. Here in britain, we have all sorts of pick me ups to join the army including a joining bonus, education assistance, free accomodation (lol), school meeting (mainly lower class) and constant advertisment showing the "cool" side of the army.


    It's sickening, people can not become better JUST by joining the army, all it does is give them a wake up call and show them what the real world is like.


    Call me evil if you want, thats what i think...


    P.S. make more blogs about what you dislike, think not of other peoples feelings, it feels sooooo good in the end of it all.

  • Legendairy

    @eadie - Anytime.  On the whole, I agree with you on this... I was only clarifying.  Some recruiters don't do that... some do and the ones that do I agree there is a problem with that.

  • Disturbing_The_Universe

    Good post. I had the best experience ever with a recruiter the other day. Not sure how he got my number, but this army recruiter called my cell phone. Here's how the conversation went:


    ME: This is Daniel.


    Recruiter: Hi Daniel, this is Sgt. Whatshisface with the United States Army.


    Me: How's it going?


    Recruiter: Pretty well. We're calling young people in the area to see if they have any interest in serving their country. Have you ever considered joining the military?


    Me: No, not really.


    Recruiter: Do you mind if I ask why?


    Me: Well, I already have a good career that pays well, so I just didn't see the point.


    Recruiter: Well, the Army has positions doing all kinds of stuff and we have great pay and benefits. What kind of work do you do, if you don't mind me asking?


    Me: Well, I'm in IT.


    Recruiter: Actually, we have lots of need for people in your line of work. Do you mind if I ask what you make each year?


    Me: (I told him what I'd made last year)


    Recruiter: Ummm... Yeah, we can't even come close to that...


    Me: It's OK. Thanks for your time.

  • Blades_Of_Athena

    @eadie - Well I do recall it saying 'disclosure' at the very top prior to the edit.

  • skylar_rose

    I really like this post. I agree with where you're coming from. I'm from Canada, so it's not anything like what you're describing. Though there is a new ad campaign here that's rather frustrating. It's that whole glorification of war idea. In other words, really rather upsetting: At least to me.

    Cheers,

    Skylar

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